Renowned Ninja Expert
is Alive and Kicking --
and Tending His Flock

 

Interview by Josh Sager

Translation by Ben Jones

Photos by Jim Manley

June 1998 issue of Black Belt Magazine - reprinted with permission


In the 1980s, the ninja boom hit the United States like a hurricane. It seemed like everyone wanted to learn how to throw smoke bombs and then disappear, how to infiltrate enemy fortresses, and how to don a black hood and sneak around in the dark. Almost overnight, numerous self-proclaimed grandmasters of ancient ninja sects seemed to come out of the woodwork for a chance at sharing the spotlight. While most of these "instructors" were striving to cash in on the booming sales of throwing stars and climbing claws, a few were content to practice their art and work toward perfecting the skills of their students. There were the people who ended up weathering the storm and surviving into the 1990s. Masaaki Hatsumi is one of those ninja authorities, and the martial arts community still holds him in high esteem. The following interview was meant to let the world know what the ninja master has been up to.


BLACK BELT: Its been almost 15 years since you started coming to the US to teach. What changes have you seen in the way Americans train?

 Masaaki Hatsumi: At the time I first came, there was a ninja boom. Everybody thought that Ninjutsu was something mysterious -- something bad. And I have gradually corrected this. Ninjutsu is really a genuine martial art. That's the one reason why I changed the name from Ninpo Taijutsu to Budo Taijutsu. They are one and the same. Ninpo is a form of Budo Taijutsu.

 

At the 1997 US Tai Kai, Hatsumi (right) focused on
the jo, the 4 foot long staff taught in many Japanese martial arts.

BB: How has the art evolved since Takamatsu Sensei passed it on to you?

MH: It has not evolved. Its just alive. It has just survived. Its like two things being the same; they seem to be changing, but they are keeping the same form. Isomorphism. Many people talk about evolution, and there was a time when the theory of evolution was all the rage. But what is actually underneath human life has not evolved at all; it has not changed. That's why they have to train, they have to reflect on their own actions, they have to do penance. That's why I say, "What is a dojo?" Its not someplace where you should aim to become strong. Its a place for penance, a place to reflect on what you've done. And to live like a true human being. So people shouldn't misunderstand what a dojo is about. They shouldn't have any illusions. A dojo isn't something with a concrete form. Every day is a dojo, wherever you are.

 
A man of many talents, Ninjutsu expert Hatsumi is also an accomplished brush painter.

 BB: How do you believe the practitioners of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu are representing your art?

 MH: Jack [Hoban] is a perfect example. Ask him because he is far better at expressing the art in an American way than I am. You can't express it in Japanese in an American way. Jack will speak from his heart about the art -- in an American way. Because in him you have the genuine article who will transmit to you my blessed teachings. So even when I am back in Japan, you can continue to ask Jack.

BB: We often hear you say that the martial arts are about love and protecting life, yet the general perception of the arts is one of violence. How do you make the differentiation?

 MH: Its just the things that any normal, serious person has to do in life. If you study a martial art that's a bit strange, its wrong. Then you become like a wild beast.

 

Despite his 66 years, Hatsumi (left) proves that
when it comes to wielding weapons, he can

still move like a teenager.

BB: Can you explain the reason why you hold a Tai Kai event every year?

 MH: To allow people to know about my martial art a little better. That's why I travel around the world.

BB: Why did you decide to add the 11th degree black belt to 15th degree black belt ranks to your system?

 MH: Its not something new. In the old days, it was like this. Its just that there weren't any 11th dan holders before.

 BB: In what direction do you see the art going in the future?

MH: It doesn't matter if it doesn't develop further. It doesn't matter if there is only one good person in the art -- that's enough. If there is just one fine person, then that's the meaning. We don't need many people. Its like in America, where you have President Clinton -- just the one president. That's all we need.

 BB: What's the most rewarding aspect of teaching your art?

 MH: If people look at nature, they think its beautiful. People who've go this genuine nature of humanity see something beautiful and say, "That's beautiful -- I want to protect it." And if you talk about the evolution of the martial arts, that's where the arts need to evolve -- with that kind of attitude.

 BB: Do you see any differences between how Ninjutsu is interpreted here in the US and how its interpreted in the rest of the world?

 MH: Its the same.

 BB: What would you like the people who come to the Tai Kai to walk away with when its over?

 MH: I would like people to leave behind all the bad [aspects] of themselves so their heart can become lighter.

Like any other martial art's weapon, the jo should be
treated as an extension of the body, Hatsumi says.

1997 U.S. Tai Kai Report

    Since before the ninja craze came and left, a small group of serious students has been traveling to Japan to train with Masaaki Hatsumi, the 34th grandmaster of  togakure-ryu ninjutsu.   The group has continued to flourish, and Hatsumi's Bujinkan organization boasts more than 100,000 members world-wide.
    To keep up with such a great demand for seminars taught by the master, officials decided to establish a yearly event called a tai kai.  This would give Bujinkan students from around the world a chance to learn directly from Hatsumi.
    The 1997 U.S. TaiKai lasted four days.  It was held in Somerset, New Jersey, and was hosted by shidoshi Jack Hoban.  Fifteen people who had attained the rank of 10th dan attended, including Stephen K. Hayes and Bud Malmstrom who along with Hoban are considered the founding fathers of ninjutsu in America.   Altogether 600 people--the most so far for this event--attended, including students from Canada, England, Japan, Sweden, Germany and the Czech Republic.
    The theme for this year's event was jojutsu, the art of the 4-foot-staff, which is an often underrated and misused weapon.  The reasons why the jo has been so overlooked throughout history are not clear, but from the first day of training Hatsumi quickly dispelled all misconceptions regarding its effectiveness.   He proved that, even though he's 66, he can still move around and wield the staff better than most people 30 years his junior.
    Hatsumi also discussed the principles of timing, distancing and angling when using the weapon, and he stressed that the weapon should be thought of as an extension of the body.  A practitioner should not think about a technique, he said, but should let it evolve on its own.
    Hatsumi should various walking techniques and explained how they can be applied in a self-defense situation.  Several principles from different ryu were also discussed, including the linear movements of the koto ryu and the circular movements of the gyokko ryu.  The grandmaster then demonstrated how kukan (space) and kyojitsu (the interchange of falsehood and reality) can be used to lead an opponent and gain an advantage over him.
    During the closing ceremony, Jack Hoban read from the Warrior's Creed, by the late Robert L. Humphrey, his long-time mentor.  It states: "Wherever I go, everyone is a little safer because I am there.  Wherever I am, anyone in need has a friend.  Whenever I return home, everyone is happy I'm there."
    The creed holds an important message about the value of life, which is very important to Hatsumi and others in the Bujinkan.  The unfortunate Hollywood stereotype of the ninja as a ruthless assassins has long been a thorn in the side of the ninjutsu community.  To the participants in the 1997 U.S. Tai Kai, however, the message of the creed carried well throughout the four-day camp.  People were in good spirits, new friendships were made, old friendships renewed, and the training was more than enough to keep everyone busy until next year's event, scheduled to be held in Tennessee in September.

--Josh Sager

About the author: Josh Sager started taking martial arts when he was 4.  Since then, the West Berlin, New Jersey-resident has trained in Tae-Kwon-Do, Kali, Jujitsu, and WingChun.  He currently studies Ninjutsu.


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